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Chandubhai is in Asaiyam, You are in Saiyam

The Lord had said that where there is dehadhyas (I am ‘Chandubhai’; I am this body and I am the doer), there is no saiyam; where there is saiyam, there is no dehadhyas.

Despite this, just look at the kind of language they use for defining saiyam nowadays!

Questioner: To remain as the KnowerSeer (Gnata-Drashta), is that considered saiyam?

 Dadashri: No, to remain as the Knower-Seer is not saiyam, it is considered Gnan. To remain in the Knower-Seer state is the ultimate state, it is considered Gnan.

 And what does saiyam mean? When artadhyan and raudradhyan (adverse meditation that hurt the self and others) stop, that is called saiyam. The Lord has not referred to dehadhyas as saiyam. The Lord does not consider that to be saiyam. There is saiyam where there is no dehadhyas.

There, they (those without Selfrealization) themselves say that, “We believe in dehadhyas,” but they do not use the word dehadhyas.

 What do they say? “Leave all that is harmful (ashubha) and do what is helpful (shubha).” To do what is helpful is dehadhyas. On the contrary, they have increased dehadhyas; it was less and they increased it.

Now all this cannot be understood, can it? How can it be understood at a time? Whereas the Gnani Purush’s Vision is such that it can See many things in an instant. It can do plus-minus and come to the main point, because the Vision has become pure (nirmal drashti).

There is no saiyam here (in the world), is there? Yet people will say, “The one with saiyam (saiyami) has come.” This is because it is worldly saiyam. The Lord had not accepted the saiyam that people believe in. Even the Lord would accept that all of our mahatmas are saiyami. This is because even when there is anger (gusso), there is saiyam. There is saiyam even in asaiyam (the absence of saiyam)!

Questioner: Many will ask, “Where is the change in your conduct?”

Dadashri: Do not look for the change in the conduct. When asaiyam happens, then You are able to See the saiyam, that this saiyam is there. ‘You’ will feel that You are in saiyam. ‘Chandubhai’ will be in asaiyam, and You will be in saiyam.

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