The Difference Between Kramic and Akram Saiyam
Questioner: The saiyam of the kramic path and the saiyam of the Akram path; what is the difference?
Dadashri: Here, we only have to follow the five Agna (directives)! For us, the Agna is of settlement with equanimity, and those (of the kramic path) need to be held on to (with the ego). After attaining this Knowledge and becoming pure Soul, You are considered saiyami.
But people (of the kramic path) will not accept it. People will say, “You have not changed your garb, you have a wife, you have this, you have that”; they will make all kinds of claims! But for our mahatmas, saiyam will constantly prevail. So internal saiyam will remain, not external saiyam. So when You follow the five Agna, You are definitely in constant internal saiyam. That saiyam will take You towards liberation (moksha), and external saiyam will bring worldly pleasures.
Both types of saiyam are beneficial, but the latter will bring worldly pleasures, whereas the other will bring liberation.
If there is internal saiyam, the external may or may not be there, there is no problem with that. There is a problem if there is external saiyam but no internal saiyam. Such an occasion does not arise; otherwise, those who have external saiyam would not get anywhere. Moksha through internal saiyam and the entire worldly life like shackles of gold through external saiyam!
Questioner: The saiyam of the kramic path and the saiyam of the Akram path; what is the difference?
Dadashri: Here, we only have to follow the five Agna (directives)! For us, the Agna is of settlement with equanimity, and those (of the kramic path) need to be held on to (with the ego). After attaining this Knowledge and becoming pure Soul, You are considered saiyami.
But people (of the kramic path) will not accept it. People will say, “You have not changed your garb, you have a wife, you have this, you have that”; they will make all kinds of claims! But for our mahatmas, saiyam will constantly prevail. So internal saiyam will remain, not external saiyam. So when You follow the five Agna, You are definitely in constant internal saiyam. That saiyam will take You towards liberation (moksha), and external saiyam will bring worldly pleasures.
Both types of saiyam are beneficial, but the latter will bring worldly pleasures, whereas the other will bring liberation.
If there is internal saiyam, the external may or may not be there, there is no problem with that. There is a problem if there is external saiyam but no internal saiyam. Such an occasion does not arise; otherwise, those who have external saiyam would not get anywhere. Moksha through internal saiyam and the entire worldly life like shackles of gold through external saiyam!
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