Freedom at the Shelter of the One who Grants Liberation
Questioner: Even then, saiyam has been observed through the dravya (the external activity of mind, speech, and body), right?
Dadashri: That is not useful. Bhaav saiyam (saiyam in intent) is needed. Dravya saiyam (saiyam through the ego) has been done for endless lives! The Self cannot be recognized without bhaav saiyam. This external saiyam has been observed for infinite lives, this saiyam of the external has been observed for infinite lives, but internal saiyam has not arisen. Until then, how can the Self be recognized?
Questioner: How can bhaav saiyam be recognized?
Dadashri: Through Knowledge (Gnan). Knowledge of what? Knowledge of the Self (Atma). Where is the Knowledge of the Self? It is in the form of words in the scriptures, but real Knowledge is with the Gnani. Our solution comes forth there; otherwise, the solution will not come forth in any era of the time cycle. It is through familiarity (of Knowledge) through the Atmagnani (One with full Knowledge of the Self); through listening to such Knowledge, bhaav saiyam gradually arises. Therefore, until bhaav saiyam arises, all this talk about the Self is not useful. If the darshan (live connection through eye contact) of a Gnani is done even once, then bhaav saiyam arises to an extent, to a degree. If the darshan of a Gnani Purush is not done, then how will it happen? There is no saiyam without attaining the Self. Or if the Self has not been attained, but one comes across the Gnani Purush, saiyam can be attained through his darshan. Saiyam is attained if one comes into his directives (agna). Saiyam in the form of agna begins first, then the original saiyam begins. And without such saiyam, liberation will not happen.
Questioner: Even then, saiyam has been observed through the dravya (the external activity of mind, speech, and body), right?
Dadashri: That is not useful. Bhaav saiyam (saiyam in intent) is needed. Dravya saiyam (saiyam through the ego) has been done for endless lives! The Self cannot be recognized without bhaav saiyam. This external saiyam has been observed for infinite lives, this saiyam of the external has been observed for infinite lives, but internal saiyam has not arisen. Until then, how can the Self be recognized?
Questioner: How can bhaav saiyam be recognized?
Dadashri: Through Knowledge (Gnan). Knowledge of what? Knowledge of the Self (Atma). Where is the Knowledge of the Self? It is in the form of words in the scriptures, but real Knowledge is with the Gnani. Our solution comes forth there; otherwise, the solution will not come forth in any era of the time cycle. It is through familiarity (of Knowledge) through the Atmagnani (One with full Knowledge of the Self); through listening to such Knowledge, bhaav saiyam gradually arises. Therefore, until bhaav saiyam arises, all this talk about the Self is not useful. If the darshan (live connection through eye contact) of a Gnani is done even once, then bhaav saiyam arises to an extent, to a degree. If the darshan of a Gnani Purush is not done, then how will it happen? There is no saiyam without attaining the Self. Or if the Self has not been attained, but one comes across the Gnani Purush, saiyam can be attained through his darshan. Saiyam is attained if one comes into his directives (agna). Saiyam in the form of agna begins first, then the original saiyam begins. And without such saiyam, liberation will not happen.
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