The Definition of Saiyam
Questioner: I have not understood what you define as saiyam.
Dadashri: What do you define saiyam to be? You must have a definition for saiyam, right?
Questioner: The one with no attachment-abhorrence (raag-dwesh).
Dadashri: Yes, the one who has no attachment-abhorrence, such a person is indeed called vitarag (without attachment-abhorrence). One with saiyam is below that, lower than that. To have no attachment-abhorrence is considered a very high state.
Questioner: Then what is referred to as saiyam?
Dadashri: Now I will tell you what is referred to as saiyam. There are two types of saiyam; one is external saiyam and the other is internal saiyam. In external saiyam, leaving his wife and children, changing his garb, taking diksha (initiation into monkhood), and eating alms, one remains within the agnas (directives) of a guru (spiritual teacher). When one decreases anger-pride-deceit-greed gradually, step-by-step, then it is referred to as external saiyam. It is referred to as internal saiyam where there is no anger-pride-deceit-greed, and if there is, it is such that it does not harm other people. There is no ego, no my-ness (mamata). There is liberation through this internal saiyam, and with external saiyam, a higher life form is earned. Saiyam means kashaya come under control, attachment-abhorrence come under control, anger-pride-deceit-greed come under control; that is referred to as saiyam. They (anger-pride-deceit-greed, attachmentabhorrence) are filled to the brim, and remain in abundance. If we provoke someone slightly, then even before provoking, they arise. How can that be called saiyam?
Questioner: I have not understood what you define as saiyam.
Dadashri: What do you define saiyam to be? You must have a definition for saiyam, right?
Questioner: The one with no attachment-abhorrence (raag-dwesh).
Dadashri: Yes, the one who has no attachment-abhorrence, such a person is indeed called vitarag (without attachment-abhorrence). One with saiyam is below that, lower than that. To have no attachment-abhorrence is considered a very high state.
Questioner: Then what is referred to as saiyam?
Dadashri: Now I will tell you what is referred to as saiyam. There are two types of saiyam; one is external saiyam and the other is internal saiyam. In external saiyam, leaving his wife and children, changing his garb, taking diksha (initiation into monkhood), and eating alms, one remains within the agnas (directives) of a guru (spiritual teacher). When one decreases anger-pride-deceit-greed gradually, step-by-step, then it is referred to as external saiyam. It is referred to as internal saiyam where there is no anger-pride-deceit-greed, and if there is, it is such that it does not harm other people. There is no ego, no my-ness (mamata). There is liberation through this internal saiyam, and with external saiyam, a higher life form is earned. Saiyam means kashaya come under control, attachment-abhorrence come under control, anger-pride-deceit-greed come under control; that is referred to as saiyam. They (anger-pride-deceit-greed, attachmentabhorrence) are filled to the brim, and remain in abundance. If we provoke someone slightly, then even before provoking, they arise. How can that be called saiyam?
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