Perfect Equanimity is Even Greater Than Saiyam
Questioner: Dada, what is the difference between saiyam and samata?
Dadashri: Samata (perfect equanimity) is possible everywhere (in each circumstance), and saiyam is not possible in some places.
Questioner: Saiyam is not possible in some places! It is possible somewhere, right? It is correct that it is not everywhere.
Dadashri: Where the Self has been realized, there is saiyam. Where there is the right Vision (samkit), there is saiyam. Therefore, all of our mahatmas are considered saiyami. There are not two opinions (mata) in that.
Questioner: It is true that Dada’s mahatmas can be considered saiyami, but many mahatmas behave foolishly. Even then, they are saiyami?
Dadashri: If they are following my Agna, then it counts.
Questioner: Yes, that is fine, but if they are behaving foolishly, it is discharge, right? It is the stock of karma filled in the past life (bharelo maal), right?
Dadashri: There is no problem with that; there is no problem for the one who is following my Agna (five directives that preserve the awareness as the Self). The one who abides by the Agna by seventy percent is considered saiyami. You may refer to such a person as God if you wish. There is no need to look at such a person’s conduct (aachar), no matter what it may be like. He just needs to be in the Agna.
Questioner: Dada, what is the difference between saiyam and samata?
Dadashri: Samata (perfect equanimity) is possible everywhere (in each circumstance), and saiyam is not possible in some places.
Questioner: Saiyam is not possible in some places! It is possible somewhere, right? It is correct that it is not everywhere.
Dadashri: Where the Self has been realized, there is saiyam. Where there is the right Vision (samkit), there is saiyam. Therefore, all of our mahatmas are considered saiyami. There are not two opinions (mata) in that.
Questioner: It is true that Dada’s mahatmas can be considered saiyami, but many mahatmas behave foolishly. Even then, they are saiyami?
Dadashri: If they are following my Agna, then it counts.
Questioner: Yes, that is fine, but if they are behaving foolishly, it is discharge, right? It is the stock of karma filled in the past life (bharelo maal), right?
Dadashri: There is no problem with that; there is no problem for the one who is following my Agna (five directives that preserve the awareness as the Self). The one who abides by the Agna by seventy percent is considered saiyami. You may refer to such a person as God if you wish. There is no need to look at such a person’s conduct (aachar), no matter what it may be like. He just needs to be in the Agna.